A Sudden Realization about Shizuru

*smirk* blood doesn't frighten me, Kruger-sama.
*leans back* in this world we have to do, what we have to do, ya know?

*Grins* That is very good to know.

Yes, we do what we have to do...*Looks away*

ara! did i make you uncomfortable?! *leans in* i'm sorry if i did, i just have to find someone and i was wondering if you could help

*Looks back*

Oh? Just who might you be looking for?

*takes out the picture* well i don't have the info on what they look like i just know they have this red birthmark on their lower back. *turns pic to Kruger* ya'ever see somethin like this?

*Looks at the picture before glaring at it*

Hmm...it does seem terribly familiar...

*Touches temple in slight discomfort*

But no, I do not think so.

*huff* damn it!

sheet *glares at everybody* no friggin' booze in here either?? *ruffles her hair and lights a cigarette* anyways about the topic, Shizuru ain't shallow as people tend to believe, her thoughts and worries are much more deeper than to be based only on desire.

Yes there is lust. But there is also pain, true love, and consideration for Natsuki, for most of the dam people out there it's hard to understand that because Shizuru seems to be happy, flirtatious and worry free when she is much more than that, ending up in insanity by the ministrations of that ass Reito and the first district.

Personally everyone should need a shizuru some1 to support them.

I honestly wished i had someone like that but then i wouldn't be the friggin' bad ass i am now.

So, to conclude this friggin' long post *crushes cigarette on the floor* i'd say that after that final scene in which they were resurrected and shizuru recovered her sanity she did regret everything she did.

It is not crazy to forgive what she "did" to Natsuki (we don't know what she did in the bedroom we can only imagine) in fact Natsuki, despite all the sheet that happened to her, is strong enough to forgive her, and Natsuki chose to do it! why? because she realized what has supported her on not becoming a lost child like it happened to Nao and noticed that she truely cares for Shizuru, as a friend or a lover she might not know, but it is then when she doesn't see her as a some kind of "friend with benefits" (research info ... etc) not that i'm saying that she didn't consider her a normal friend before.

I have no friggin idea if i made my point clear...

Ah screw it, i'm off to the bar now.

Revy wrote:sheet *glares at everybody* no friggin' booze in here either?? *ruffles her hair and lights a cigarette* anyways about the topic, Shizuru ain't shallow as people tend to believe, her thoughts and worries are much more deeper than to be based only on desire.

Yes there is lust. But there is also pain, true love, and consideration for Natsuki, for most of the dam people out there it's hard to understand that because Shizuru seems to be happy, flirtatious and worry free when she is much more than that, ending up in insanity by the ministrations of that ass Reito and the first district.

Personally everyone should need a shizuru some1 to support them.

I honestly wished i had someone like that but then i wouldn't be the friggin' bad ass i am now.

So, to conclude this friggin' long post *crushes cigarette on the floor* i'd say that after that final scene in which they were resurrected and shizuru recovered her sanity she did regret everything she did.

It is not crazy to forgive what she "did" to Natsuki (we don't know what she did in the bedroom we can only imagine) in fact Natsuki, despite all the sheet that happened to her, is strong enough to forgive her, and Natsuki chose to do it! why? because she realized what has supported her on not becoming a lost child like it happened to Nao and noticed that she truely cares for Shizuru, as a friend or a lover she might not know, but it is then when she doesn't see her as a some kind of "friend with benefits" (research info ... etc) not that i'm saying that she didn't consider her a normal friend before.

I have no friggin idea if i made my point clear...

Ah screw it, i'm off to the bar now.

Marry me?

((^ Not without me you don't! ;D))

Death Row Kruger wrote:((^ Not without me you don't! ;D))

(( *nervous laughter* baby, it was just a way of saying she was dead on and i agreed to everything, like marriage... yeah... that's it ))

((LOL xD))

Sunako Nakahara wrote:It is not crazy to forgive what she "did" to Natsuki (we don't know what she did in the bedroom we can only imagine) in fact Natsuki, despite all the sheet that happened to her, is strong enough to forgive her, and Natsuki chose to do it! why? because she realized what has supported her on not becoming a lost child like it happened to Nao and noticed that she truely cares for Shizuru, as a friend or a lover she might not know, but it is then when she doesn't see her as a some kind of "friend with benefits" (research info ... etc) not that i'm saying that she didn't consider her a normal friend before.

That reminds me of the time I offered forgiveness to Koan, one of the 4 Ayakashi Sisters. She was an evil villainess with nothing but hatred in her heart, or so I thought. It's not exactly the same situation as Shizuru and Natsuki, but the theme of forgiveness is there. If I can forgive Koan for hurting my friends and innocent people, then there's no reason Natsuki shouldn't forgive Shizuru. Sadly for this Mai-HiME anime, Mai Tokiha (the main heroine, right?) doesn't have the ability to heal darkness in people's hearts like Sailor Moon.

I think maybe she had someone in the past, but you don't need to be with a lot of people to become self-confident. Shizuru's nature is to be cool, tease and show an expression of self-control, so as not to make other people worry. Besides, she comes from a rich and well-educated family (apparently), so I think she's got used to "wearing a mask", as her parents are surely conservative.
On the other hand, Yukino did not say that she raped Natsuki. I think it was only Natsuki's imagination, as in the dream, Shizuru seemed to have lipstick and make-up (and we can see that Shizuru never uses that stuff, not even at school). On top of that, Shizuru's face went red when she saw Natsuki sleeping...if she blushes just by kissing her and restrained herself for such a long time for Natsuki's sake, how come she would touch her indecorously without hesitation and without feeling guilty?

you know now that you say that in makes so much sense she is flirtatious so that must mean she's a natural at that sort a thing or that she's done this before with another girl before Natsuki came strolling along

IlliterateKoi wrote:I kind of got off track...Basically I think that Shizuru clearly didn’t get enough screen time for us to accurately make a decision on this

100th post!? How in the hell did that happen?! D:

When you look back on the series, indeed, Shizuru didn't get enough screen time. Not enough to justify those specific questions regarding her experience with relationships. You mention that pretentious confidence she possesses, it's a great mask to draw the casual fangirl. Not the -chosen- love of her life and Natsuki being the "bah! Humbug world and First District!" girl she is, has that something that attracts Shizuru. Natsuki is not an easy catch (in the romantic sense...*eyeballs Nao's spider-like ways*); that alone is great appeal for anyone who feels like Shizuru.

By being a complete and total spammer. :3 Congratulations on becoming a HiME Ranger. You are now Midori's property now.

I want to discuss this but right now I'm just too damn tired. I think I have some good ideas but I am not very coherent right now. Regarding love and fear and rejection. And Reito and Shizuru's relationship or rather lack there of. They would both totally play up any rumors that they dated. Anyway more later too tired.

Magus Phantalus wrote:I want to discuss this but right now I'm just too damn tired. I think I have some good ideas but I am not very coherent right now. Regarding love and fear and rejection. And Reito and Shizuru's relationship or rather lack there of. They would both totally play up any rumors that they dated. Anyway more later too tired.

Preach it when you're ready, dude.

Considering the disturbing concept of a class s relationship in japan(correct me if I'm wrong but I do think it is most often referred as that in japan) chances are Shizuru would only act playfully towards other girls while hiding her true feelings for Natsuki from others.

For those who don't know a class s relationship is the belief that a girl's attraction to another girl is an immature phase that she'll eventually grow out of and eventually enter into a "real" relationship with a man. It is a disturbing and insulting belief but there you go.

On another note when you feel strongly enough about someone it can be almost painful to expose a piece of your very soul to rejection. Considering the setting, the fact that it takes place in japan(with the class s relationship baggage), and the fact that she apparently comes from a traditional family is it any wonder she kept her feelings close to her chest?

Hell if I was her I'd probably snap too... although I'd rather have Caius' powers and turn into an all powerful unkillable Bahamut so I could wreck Mai but that's just me. Could you imagine Shizuru shouting "Wings of Night!" And transforming into Jet Bahamut while summoning Amber and Garnet Bahamut to unleash TeraFlare! In the words of Rainbow Dash;"So awesome!" Of course I'd prefer it to be against the manga version's of the character's Kagatsuchi has NOTHING on the immortal Jet Bahamut. But now I'm getting off topic.

I pretty much agree with what Luu said (Luu, you have a way with words!), but maybe I could add in a few more details. Perhaps there's a reason why Shizuru was a pretender/player. I mean of course she is a lesbian and prefers girls, but reasons why she was a P/P, since she was really attracted to Natsuki's hard-to-get mysterious attitude, it's possible that she flirted with other girls just to "relieve" her fiery passion, for a short while at least, considering she is a flirt, especially to Natsuki xD

And for the whole confidence thing, that's something Sunrise hasn't really explained :) Maybe all the flirting and the popularity Shizuru got gave her at least a tiny bit of confidence, since a lot of the girls admired her accent and sexy, sexy beauty XD Has she ever kissed other girls? We don't know. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. I personally believe that she wanted to save her soul AND her body (and her lips XD) for Natsuki. Only problem was that she didn't have the confidence to tell how she truly felt, which eventually caused her to go mentally imbalanced.

And her mask, I must say, it's pretty impressive for someone to have such skill like Shizuru LOL. Like I said, perhaps her flirting with other girls caused her to remain balanced for a while. And she had things going on at the school, being the president and all, but when alone, I guess we'll never know how Shizuru handled it :shock: And I really quite don't want to know how she handled it, if she ever did...

I hope I made sense. I hope I wasn't blabbing on in response to multiple things and causing such confusion... :shock:

I think I read somewhere long ago that Sunrise said that Shizuru was the only character they tried to change from Hime to Otome, but couldn't. So, Fujino and Viola are the same?? Well, I don't see much of Fujino but Viola was an ass before getting to know Natsuki, no? If that is the case, then I believe that Fujino had been with girls/women before meeting Natsuki, or even some months/years during their friendship. Well, it seems realistic for Shizuru character. But, then it might look like Shizuru isn't a very faithful type. There were times when I feared for Natsuki. lol.