Is Shizuru Fujino a murderer?

Hollowed-Words wrote:Zhang.

Pardon?

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:At that point, Searrs was the major threat. The name stopped Natsuki in her tracks when Midori tossed it out to ensure a happy karaoke jam. With or without Mashiro influence, anything in Natsuki's way is considered dead or retired. That's just the kind of person she was.

If that was the case, then why did Natsuki wait until Searrs was sitting on the academy and Mashiro briefed her on what they supposedly wanted before doing anything about it? Why didn't she just make a sudden, The Real Folk Blues-esque one woman assault on the Searrs complex at the first possible moment if it was really that imperative to her?

Hollowed-Words wrote:Zhang.

Yes. I agree. ZHANG, indeed. :D

Abicion wrote:
If that was the case, then why did Natsuki wait until Searrs was sitting on the academy and Mashiro briefed her on what they supposedly wanted before doing anything about it? Why didn't she just make a sudden, The Real Folk Blues-esque one woman assault on the Searrs complex at the first possible moment if it was really that imperative to her?

Because she's not stupid.
Many SEARRS soldiers + Miyu + Alyssa (let's not forget she can make monsters) = wayy too much work for one person.

On that note, this is a thread about SHIZURU being a murderer. Please move all Natsuki analyzations to the thread titled "Analyzing Natsuki".

lolz *sucker-punch*
they're both murderers!
and murderers belong together.
end of story :3

lolz *sucker-punch*
they're both murderers!
and murderers belong together.
end of story :3

I agree!

(Unless of course...one of those murders wants to stray off with Reito and have a wonderful relationship with him instead of Nat-- the othr murderer, I MEAN, that'd be totally fine too... :) )

no she'll stray off with me damnit! NOT Reito!!!

I don't count her as a murderer she was just doing what she needed to so she could protect Natsuki and also there was quite a few problems that led to this and another part of it is the obsidian prince. So no I do not see her as a murderer

Miyotakano wrote:I don't count her as a murderer she was just doing what she needed to so she could protect Natsuki and also there was quite a few problems that led to this and another part of it is the obsidian prince. So no I do not see her as a murderer

It's a complex situation, many factors say yes AND no to Shizuru's brutal actions. Call it like you see it. :)

To me she is. But I like her nonetheless. It makes her character more interesting

Miyotakano wrote:I don't count her as a murderer she was just doing what she needed to so she could protect Natsuki

Because Haruka saying mean things was such an immediate threat to Natsuki's life.

I don't think she is a murderer...as she was under the influence of the Obsidian Lord and could not think properly at that moment. Besides, if I were in the same situation, feeling so sad by Natsuki's rejection, my heart would also break apart and start crying my heart out or losing control of myself, as I am a very passionate person; I am as passionate as Shizuru is. Besides, this was planned by the O. Lord, as he and Nagi told Shizuru where Natsuki's enemies were located, just when Shizuru went crazy. If you love a person as much as Shizuru loves Natsuki, it's understandable. I think killings cannot be justified, but we are human and even the most intelligent and cool persons can lose control once in a while because of love.

ShizuruF wrote:I don't think she is a murderer...as she was under the influence of the Obsidian Lord and could not think properly at that moment. Besides, if I were in the same situation, feeling so sad by Natsuki's rejection, my heart would also break apart and start crying my heart out or losing control of myself, as I am a very passionate person; I am as passionate as Shizuru is. Besides, this was planned by the O. Lord, as he and Nagi told Shizuru where Natsuki's enemies were located, just when Shizuru went crazy. If you love a person as much as Shizuru loves Natsuki, it's understandable. I think killings cannot be justified, but we are human and even the most intelligent and cool persons can lose control once in a while because of love.

This might be true. But it does still make her murderer. Doesn't it? Even if it is out of love.

Amaya wrote:

ShizuruF wrote:I don't think she is a murderer...as she was under the influence of the Obsidian Lord and could not think properly at that moment. Besides, if I were in the same situation, feeling so sad by Natsuki's rejection, my heart would also break apart and start crying my heart out or losing control of myself, as I am a very passionate person; I am as passionate as Shizuru is. Besides, this was planned by the O. Lord, as he and Nagi told Shizuru where Natsuki's enemies were located, just when Shizuru went crazy. If you love a person as much as Shizuru loves Natsuki, it's understandable. I think killings cannot be justified, but we are human and even the most intelligent and cool persons can lose control once in a while because of love.

This might be true. But it does still make her murderer. Doesn't it? Even if it is out of love.

ShizuruF can only go by Reito's influence at this rate. You have to admit that this has been building up inside Shizuru for quite a long time.

If by "quite a long time," you mean the period between when the Searrs arc ends and when Shizuru randomly goes crazy due the show needing more villains, sure.

Shizuru is a murderer simply because she killed people, yes.. but we gotta admit that drew the fans to her. The reason behind the killings is her pain of rejection that drove her insane. And I think it's more of a vigilante action when she wiped out the First District.

Anyway, there should be a thread with "Is Mikoto Minagi a murderer?"
I mean the kid had a murder spree, too. She killed her grandfather as part of a test.
She killed lots of Hime Childs: Gakutenou, Gennai, Yatagarasu, Mashiro Kazahana-- thus killing the MIPs.
At least Shizuru is doing it on the (wrong) assumption of protecting Natsuki.

Fujino was also brainwashed by the Obsidian Prince, so it's not like it was 100% her fault. And isn't it the First District's job to keep the HiME secret from the public? Murderer or not, I'm sure the police would have no idea who was the killer.

And to spoil the topic: It's just a cartoon

Natsuki-chan wrote:Shizuru is a murderer simply because she killed people, yes.. but we gotta admit that drew the fans to her. The reason behind the killings is her pain of rejection that drove her insane. And I think it's more of a vigilante action when she wiped out the First District.

Anyway, there should be a thread with "Is Mikoto Minagi a murderer?"
I mean the kid had a murder spree, too. She killed her grandfather as part of a test.
She killed lots of Hime Childs: Gakutenou, Gennai, Yatagarasu, Mashiro Kazahana-- thus killing the MIPs.
At least Shizuru is doing it on the (wrong) assumption of protecting Natsuki.

Killing everybody in First District is perfectly fine, in my eyes. They were a menace to society and the HiME they were monitoring. All First District members were put to sleep accordingly. The fact remains that Shizuru killed them with no remorse, so it's kinda like the wolf killing the wolves. Strange analogy since Natsuki is the wolf, not Shizuru...ah well.

Mikoto? Sure, I'd love to analyze Mikoto's murdering spree in the Mai-HiME. I don't want to steal ideas though, so if you please make the thread, Natsuki-chan? I'd be more than happy to participate!

Nymphetamine wrote:Fujino was also brainwashed by the Obsidian Prince, so it's not like it was 100% her fault. And isn't it the First District's job to keep the HiME secret from the public? Murderer or not, I'm sure the police would have no idea who was the killer.

And to spoil the topic: It's just a cartoon

You could say that, but Shizuru's love for Natsuki magnified that supposed brainwashing ten fold. The authority wouldn't have any leads on the murders caused by Shizuru. If they did, there's nothing they can really do about it. Even the United States finest couldn't take down the HiME if they were exposed as a large scale threat. This was of course kinda ruined in the manga where the HiME are public, which made those large scale battles kinda awkward, despite the amazing artwork. XD Anyway, that's another topic.

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote: Mikoto? Sure, I'd love to analyze Mikoto's murdering spree in the Mai-HiME. I don't want to steal ideas though, so if you please make the thread, Natsuki-chan? I'd be more than happy to participate!

Wow, thanks Luu.. but I dunno how maybe I should ask Shiho to do it ..maki-maki..

Anyway, I was just using Mikoto's name as a form of analogy, a comparison between Shizuru and Mikoto's actions, because let's face it they're partially similar- kill for the one you love. Some are hating on the fact that Shizuru killed Nao & Yukino's child, but are forgetting the fact that Mikoto killed four.

Natsuki-chan wrote:Wow, thanks Luu.. but I dunno how maybe I should ask Shiho to do it ..maki-maki..

Anyway, I was just using Mikoto's name as a form of analogy, a comparison between Shizuru and Mikoto's actions, because let's face it they're partially similar- kill for the one you love. Some are hating on the fact that Shizuru killed Nao & Yukino's child, but are forgetting the fact that Mikoto killed four.

This is true, Natsuki-chan. :) Not disputing the facts at all! I'm just want to know if you're serious about not knowing how to make a new thread. o.o Head over to the Mai-HiME section and hit NEW TOPIC. Try it, this should be a fun topic! Let's shift the killer heat over to Mikoto for once. XD