Does Nao still carry animosity towards Shizuru? Does Natsuki know?

Ice Silver Crystal wrote:she thinks that she sees right through Shizuru. maybe see a part of her Natsuki does not see.

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:Nao's implication of revenge on Shizuru worried Natsuki. So to add to the topic discussion, how much does Natsuki know about Nao's feelings on the matter?

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:Because *I* firmly believe Natsuki and Shizuru are dating during the events of Kuro no Mai

Ice Silver Crystal wrote:umm, Nao's very cautious of Shizuru.
she thinks that she sees right through Shizuru.
maybe see a part of her Natsuki does not see.
Natsuki-chan's understanding of Nao's feelings as can see in your photos luu.
no matter what happened between them i think natsuki is the peacekeeper.

Nymphetamine wrote:We all should know how Nao is: If there has been no harm done, then she'll cut you some slack at the very least (ex. Nao and Mikoto); if you do her wrong, then she'll hate you forever, because you can't trust anyone but yourself (ex. Nao and Shizuru; Nao and the men who ruined her family); or if she doesn't want anyone to get in her way, then she'll have fun with her games by kidnapping people (ex. Natsuki x2 and Takumi)

Just throwing it out there

PostoronnimV wrote:
I also think so=)) ... I even think they started dating somewhere around Shizuru's graduation...

Evidence:
Natsuki and Shizuru, together, came from somewhere and they are both blushing


I doubt that Shizuru would have become so openly daring, if their relationship would not have evolved into something more than just best friends=)

PostoronnimV wrote:

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:Because *I* firmly believe Natsuki and Shizuru are dating during the events of Kuro no Mai

I also think so=)) ... I even think they started dating somewhere around Shizuru's graduation...

Evidence:
Natsuki and Shizuru, together, came from somewhere and they are both blushing


I doubt that Shizuru would have become so openly daring, if their relationship would not have evolved into something more than just best friends=)

Nymphetamine wrote:Luu, there's a debatable topic about on the theory of Natsuki and Shizuru getting together, no?  If no, then maybe I could make one

CaptainVonCookie wrote:I don't think Nao kept any kind of animosity towards Shizuru. It just seems like a kind of friendly rivalry. I think Nao will always harbor competitive feelings towards Shizuru kind of like Haruka. They won't become the best of friends at least for now, Nao isn't good with authority figures like Shizuru. And that's what it reminds me of, a sulky kid trying to get back at the mother for disciplining her.

Natsuki knows their backstory, but it isn't even the worst backstory they have in their group and they are all friends. So if someone were to do something to somebody, it would be more of a prank than something serious!

I love that when Nao said that, Natuski imagined Shizuru not in her clothes but in her bathing suit!  Good job Natsuki!!!!

Kiros Razer wrote:I know she does due to the special where I got avatar from.
(Forgot specific name)

I believe she holds a grudge and is leery of Shizuru.
I can see her as grudging but will eventually forgive over time.

Mai, she didn't care for much each as well.
Natsuki she didn't like and several others but
she will forgive/forgave them sooner before Shizuru,
she damaged her pride and her defeat was devastating to Nao.

(Yet, Nao tried some the dirty things towards them.
She could of felt a sense of respect to some of them.
However the defeat probably will stick to her longer.)

I mean..her mom has been in recovery for quite some time
and left Nao orphaned, some of the hime had
NO mention of parents or they involved death.

Nao's mom = her most important person.
Think of parental love for those whom have a bond with their parents.

Think of how you'd feel.

I think we can see why hime fought so hard..if we looked at all of them..

Many were along the lines of relationships or those that loved someone on that level.

Love has different types but they are all significant.

I liked Shizuru, but I still have respect for Nao too.

Nao's view of Shizuru's apology: Prove it that you mean it.
Such words and smiling over it mean nothing until you give me a real reason to accept it.

I probably should have read other's views first too,
but I felt I should say what I personally felt or thought anyway..
I sometimes say what is said/or thought before.
I just figured it's best even if that's the case.
I kind of don't think to read through sometimes. 
(Mainly from bad vision)

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:

I see where you're coming from, Kiros. It comes down to Nao not being very popular with the other HiME and their own set of friends. Can you blame them? Nao doesn't even have a close friendship with Aoi and Aoi is her roommate AND a friendly person! Even if Shizuru's apology was sincere, that doesn't mean her and Nao should be friends in the slightest. My absolute certainty in all this is that Nao trusts those who can relate and love her for her no matter what. I.e. Her mother and Natsuki.

Kiros Razer wrote:I can't blame their views on her and not everyone can get along.
I don't see Nao as very trusting but rather hurt than be hurt, but not totally a really bad person.. so an interesting personality.

Aoi seemed sweet as can be.. and it probably annoyed her.
Mikoto to Nao probably seemed sweet but not frail or fragile either.
Or wanted to have around to make her feel peaceful and not as angry.
Since I'm thinking of the directors cut ending.

Before I took notice or found interest in her character (due to my gfs views n debates)
I just didn't have much interest in full for her.
Over time I learned each character was unique
and would have tried to understand all of them if I could.

I still don't have a lot of respect for Shiho yet.
Still I try to understand the character.
I can understood your views too.:D 

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:  Oh that's just too cute~ About that double blush shot, do you suppose the others are still in the dark about Shizuru and Natsuki's relationship or is it that obvious already? ;)Debatable!

PostoronnimV wrote:I even think they started dating somewhere around Shizuru's graduation

Nymphetamine wrote:in the HiME guidebook, it states that Natsuki did spoke affectionately to the graduating Shizuru once again, and before one knows, happiness will be there for both of them.

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:Do you think Nao can live with the misery brought upon her by Shizuru? Sure her mother is back and all, but it doesn't seem like Nao appreciates the two murder attempts.

Kiros Razer wrote:Nao's view of Shizuru's apology: Prove it that you mean it.
Such words and smiling over it mean nothing until you give me a real reason to accept it.

Ice Silver Crystal wrote:
what i can't wrap my head around is if their -Shiznat- relationship is one sided now??
shizuru-san is much more affectionate with Natsuki-san in my opinion.

I truly believe that Nao soner or later will move on... with her mom's support... and maybe with Natsuki's help... because Natsuki had to/did move on from betrayal of her father, who abandoned her when she needed him most; from betrayal of her mother, who sold her as a test subject... so she can help Nao to overcome and let go of the past...

Also methinks, the most traumatic for Nao was the fact that her mother died because of her (by her I mean Nao) and not by the fact that she was defeated by Shizuru. And we all know Nao, that she does not want to see shortcomings in herself and her fault... and therefore she blames everyone except herself. So, to the question 'who is to blame that my mom died?' Her answer is 'of course, Shizuru'... and she forgot that it was she who provoked Shizuru, and she also forgot that she lured Shizuru out to defeat her...

CaptainVonCookie wrote:Shizuru is an adult and Nao is a kid. Isn't that why there's such a big discrepancy in the way people view their actions?

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:

Nao struck me as the bad apple in the group, so on my first watch I figured she would be trouble along the way. She tried to kill everyone (Mai, Mikoto, Natsuki, Midori and Nagi) in episode 7, out of frustrations over the "HiME are not allowed to fight each other" rule set by Nagi. I saw that thinking "isn't that a little extreme, Nao?" Just a few episodes later would find Nao cooperating with the HiME, never bringing up her murder attempt. I didn't understand her motives for wanting to kill the HiME (if she had any at all. Remember, she brought the building down out of sour grapes), but her rebellious personality I understood perfectly. We all want to feel loved by other people, but Nao was very selective about who she associates with. That kind of thinking irked me during my first watch of Mai-HiME.

Shiho is another story entirely. XD Without getting off-topic, let me just say that Shiho is simply a character you either understand or hate. There have rarely been any in-betweeners for her jealousy and clinginess to Tate.

CaptainVonCookie wrote:I can see your point, but just like you said in a previous post:
"Did Nao ever apologize for attempted murder, kidnapping and creating more problems for the HiME when Midori's plan was more simple than microwaving hot dog: "DO NO FIGHT EACH OTHER"?"

So I never understood the whole picking on Shizuru. It's not like Nao was a saint or even presented herself that way.. So I thought people just thought of her as a troubled kid with a sad past and gave her a huge break for that.

 you dirty, dirty man! Oreo's are opened, licked thoroughly on the inside, dipped in milk and then eaten! My oh my, I'm blushing!

Kiros Razer wrote:I'll state my gfs view that made me think:

"If you lost your family and only survivor is your mother, and she is hospitalized..won't you be angry?"

"The killers were in prison but were still living and in a place where they could receive food and shelter, wouldn't that bother you?"

"She is an angry girl that didn't have peace in her heart over that and could never settle the score with anyone over it."


In that conversation I felt, it warped her mind and maybe her personal thoughts were conflicting. Like how we see her kind of sadistic was..nao saying I'll fight but if I lose make them feel just like me.

(Having Mikoto later as a friend turned her logic to:
This girl's part in the carnival was rough, she fought a dear friend to please her own family member..after all of that she still acts like a child and carefree.. I just want to feel normal..
I guess when we saw Nao in the church at the end, she became part of the church to find inner peace..)

Look at characters that involve losing family members:
(If you know other characters look into their behaviors and thoughts.)
Mireille Bouquet (Strange to a degree, but wanted revenge the killers and conflicted when the actual assassination was done by one she was close to.)
Batman (Comics that guy is as crazy as the Joker)

Nao's reason for wanting to kill the HiME.
To put it in smaller words.

She was Angry, Warped and sadistic.
She was damaged in the mind,
She had logic but not always clear.
When hurt, she wanted others to know how she felt in a crazy way.

As for Shiho.. I found her character more annoying than anything.
I have to give her a chance, I think.

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